Grey Hunters are mediocre at best

Just wanted to put that on record.

1500pts 13th Company

HQ - 270
Canis
Canoness w/ Book, Frags, Kraks, Auspex & Blessed Weapon

Troops - 580
Grey Hunters Pack
- 10x GH, 2x Meltagun, MotW
Grey Hunters Pack
- 10x GH, 2x Meltagun, MotW
Fenrisian Wolves
- 10x Wolf
Fenrisian Wolves
- 10x Wolf
Fenrisian Wolves
- 10x Wolf

Fast Attack - 470
Thunderwolf Cav
- 4x TWC, 1x Thunder Hammer, 1x Meltabombs, 1x Bolter
Thunderwolf Cav
- 4x TWC, 1x Thunder Hammer, 1x Meltabombs, 1x Bolter

Heavy Support - 260
Long Fangs
- Leader, 3x Missile Launcher
Long Fangs
- Leader, 3x Heavy Bolter
Long Fangs
- Leader, 2x Lascannon

1495pts

My attempt at balancing the Beasts & Cavalry Space Wolves list at 1500pts. I was originally trying to fit a Jump Pack Canoness with a Book in there so's the Wolves would get Stubborn Ld10 with rerolls from the TWC, but opted for 2 Lascannons in the end. The Canoness (or more Wolves) would probably be a better choice, but whatever.

Notable things are a lack of mobility in the scoring units, which I reckon you could counter simply by having so much shite on the board. Also the Long Fangs being your only source of long-range shooty is not a great thing in Dawn of War. Tank Shocking and vehicle-spam in general will be a problem, Lootas will likewise be a pain in the arse and Deffrollas will murder you. You should be able to walk over stuff like Bikes or Mechdar with it though. Well, if you ignore the lack of psyker protection...

Myself, I don't like it. Too many holes. I'm trying desperately hard to make a proper 13th Company list without resorting to vanilla units like Speeders and Dreads, but it's a real struggle; Long Fangs are an awesome replacement for Dakka Preds but apart from them you really haven't got much else in terms of "teh sh00ty", which you do need in some form or another if you're going to be able to influence the game from turn 1. I wish Long Fangs or Wolf Guard Terminators got Autocannons like Chaos do, then the problem would solve itself :(

1500pts Witch Hunters

Bang-on 1500 points:

HQ - 422
Heroine Retinue
- Canoness w/ Frags, Book & Bolter
-- Celestian Retinue x4 & Normal SS, 2x Meltagun, Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke
Heroine Retinue
- Canoness w/ Frags, Book & Bolter
-- Celestian Retinue x4 & Normal SS, 2x Meltagun, Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke

Troops - 505
IST x5, 2x Meltagun
IST x5, 2x Meltagun
IG Infantry Platoon
- Platoon Command Squad w/ 2x Meltagun & Autocannon, Chimera w/ Hull Heavy Flamer & Multilaser
- Infantry Squad w/ Autocannon, Chimera w/ Heavy Stubber, Hull Heavy Flamer & Multilaser
- Infantry Squad w/ Autocannon, Chimera w/ Heavy Stubber, Hull Heavy Flamer & Multilaser

Fast Attack - 354
Dominions x4 & VSS w/ Book, 2x Meltagun, Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke
Dominions x4 & VSS w/ Book, 2x Meltagun, Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke

Heavy Support - 219
Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke
Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke
Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke



Suddenly, everywhere, VEHICLES! 10 to be precise; I mean sure, they're only AV11-12, but there's still plenty of them to get rid of, and considering each one has the ability to hit and hurt anything it seems like a fair old handful to me.



At 1250pts:
HQ - 422
Heroine Retinue
- Canoness w/ Frags, Book & Bolter
-- Celestian Retinue x4 & Normal SS, 2x Meltagun, Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke
Heroine Retinue
- Canoness w/ Frags, Book & Bolter
-- Celestian Retinue x4 & Normal SS, 2x Meltagun, Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke

Troops - 505
IST x5, 2x Meltagun
IST x5, 2x Meltagun
IG Infantry Platoon
- Platoon Command Squad w/ 2x Meltagun & Autocannon, Chimera w/ Hull Heavy Flamer & Multilaser
- Infantry Squad w/ Autocannon, Chimera w/ Heavy Stubber, Hull Heavy Flamer & Multilaser
- Infantry Squad w/ Autocannon, Chimera w/ Heavy Stubber, Hull Heavy Flamer & Multilaser

Fast Attack - 177
Dominions x4 & VSS w/ Book, 2x Meltagun, Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke

Heavy Support - 146
Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke
Immolator w/ Extra Armour & Smoke